60-ft Arched Roof and Harriman Baggage Express cars
(N scale)
NOTE - For customers who have ordered the Harriman series cars (Southern Pacific and Union Pacific), from your hobby stores and noticed a flange scapping one of the underframe ribs. Please send us an email, and we will send you a very thin washer (0.010") that will solve this problem.
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WOT N scale 60-ft BE - Vive
These cars were seen on railroads across North America. Harriman cars were developed during the time of Edward Henry Harriman, who controlled the Chicago & Alton Railroad, the Union Pacific, the Southern Pacific, the Illinois Central, the Central of Georgia, the Pacific Mail Steamship Company, Wells Fargo Express Company, and directed the development of the "Common Standard Specifications" among the Associated Lines. This set of specifications allowed parts to be shared across all Harriman-controlled railroads, allowing economical bid prices due to the sheer size of standardized orders, standardized part inventories and methods for car repair.
These cars were designed with the a distinctive arched roof and diamond underframe crossbearers. The Arched Roof construction handled rainy weather better than clerestoy design - once lighting and ventilation problems were solved. Non-Harriman Arched Roof cars, while similar, had fished-belly underframes developed by Pullman Mfg. Co. and copied by others. Some of these 60-ft cars remained in use until the advent of Amtrak while others became maintenance-of-way cars.
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Canadian National, Maple Leaf (1954 scheme) 60-ft Arched Roof Baggage-Express car, National Steel Car 1940 (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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| 383 |
Car No. 8778 |
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| 384 |
Car No. 8785 |
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| 385 |
Car No. 8790 |
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| 386 |
Car No. 8793 |
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Built by National Steel Car of Hamilton, Ontario in 1940 as class BE and numbered 8775-8799. These cars carried mail, luggage, & LCL express packages, and stayed in service until they were scrapped in 1970s. *Railroad had very similar car, not the exact prototype.
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Delaware Lackawanna & Western 60-ft Arch Roof Baggage Express Car, Pullman green (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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| 387 |
No. 2037 |
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| 388 |
No. 2043 |
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| 389 |
No. 2072 |
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| 390 |
No. 2095 |
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Built in 1925 by Press Steel Car Company as Nos. 2035 to 2064 for the Delaware Lackawanna and Western. They carried sealed mail, luggage, LCL express packages, newspaper and milk in canisters. These particular cars had their green paint and were never repainted into the Phoebe Snow scheme. They lasted through the Eric Lackawanna merged era in the 1960s. *RR had very similar car, not exact prototype.
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| Item # | Erie Lackawanna, Maintenance-of-Way |
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No. 489012 |
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Erie Lackawanna Maintenance-of-Way No. 489012 lasted in this paint scheme into the Conrail era. It was formerly a DL&W baggage car.
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photo from past production run
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Southern Railway Arched Roof Baggage-Express (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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| 392 |
No. 6451, Pullman Green |
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| 393 | No. 6453, Pullman Green |
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| 394 | No. 314, Pullman Green |
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| 395 | No. 317, Pullman Green |
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Southern Railway’s all steel and baggage car carried sealed mail, LCL express packages and passengers’ luggage. They measured 64’-5-3/4” over the buffers and had an end sill length of 61’-0”. they weighed in at 107,600 lbs. Southern replaced the original wood doors with aluminum covered doors which were not always painted. Originally built with a clerestory roof. Rebuilt sometime in the late 1940s with an arched roof. It was sub-lettered G.S. & F. for George Southern & Florida, a subsidiary of Southern Railway. Southern Railway consisted of the following companies (as of 1964): Southern Railway, Central of Georgia; Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific Railway; Alabama, Great Southern Railroad; New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad; Georgia, Southern & Florida Railway; Caroline and Northwestern Railway; Georgia & Florida Railway. *RR had very similar car, not exact prototype.
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Southern Railway, Maintenance-of-Way |
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No. 9000020 |
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Southern Railway maintenance-of-way fleet comprises of tank cars, flatcars, boxcars, and old arched roof baggage-express cars! This car was still on the roster of Norfolk Southern before it was retired.
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Illinois Central, 64-ft "Mail Storage" car This car was assigned to carrying sealed mail. (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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No. 580 |
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The Illinois Central had a large batch of round roof 64-ft* baggage-express cars. While once part of the Harriman empire, their designs were never Common Standard designs which UP and SP adopted. All IC cars had fishbelly frames and non-flushed ends. These IC cars lasted well into the late 60s and often found mixed wtih lightweight passenger equipment. IC No. 580 was assigned to carry sacks of US mail as well as express shipments. It was a 1918 Pullman product, Class P579: 64'-8" Baggage, weighing in at 58 tons. * 64-ft 8-in as measured over the coupler face, 60-ft 10-in over the end sills.
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Illinois Central, 64-ft "Magazine Loading" car These cars were assigned to carrying catalogs and magazines. The 6-wheel trucks helped carried the extra heavy load. (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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| 398 |
No. 673 |
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| 399 |
No. 674 |
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| 400 |
No. 675 |
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Illinois Central Railroad had a large fleet of baggage-express cars assigned to magazine loading service, a.k.a. your Time magazine. Car no. 673 - 675 are 1921 and 1924 American Car & Foundry products. They were equipped with 6-wheel trucks to better the distribute the load of magazines more evenly on the rails.
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NOTE - We know there is a problem with the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific cars, only, where there is a slight interference between the flange and underframe rib. If you have bought the UP or SP Harriman baggage cars, and would like washers (.010" thick) to fix the problem, let us know and we will be happy to mail you some when they become available in about 2 - 4 weeks from Nov. 17.
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Southern Pacific, 60-ft Harriman Baggage-Express car, Class 60-B-1:6, Two-Tone Gray, original doors, Globe vents (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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No. 6340 |
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No. 6201 star baggage |
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No. 6349 |
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The Southern Pacific Railroad ordered 60-ft Common Standard steel baggage cars from Pullman in 1909 through 1914. Car no. 6340 is a 1909 Pullman product, Class 60-B-2. Car no. 6201 is 1911 Pullman originally assigned to Central Pacific, Class 60-B-4. The star denotes improved facilities for the baggage - express crew. Car no. 6349 is Class 60-B-3, 1910 Pullman which was originally assigned to SPLA&SL.
Below SP Harriman baggage-express cars had replacement ply-metal doors. SP Harriman Baggage-Express car no. 6206 is a 1912 Pullman with improved facilities for the headend crew, Class 60-B-5. Car No. 6429 is also Class 60-B-5, 1912 Pullman product. At one time it was assigned to Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) freight services. The SP two-tone paint scheme for thses baggage cars lasted until retirement.
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Southern Pacific, 60-ft Harriman Baggage-Express car, Class 60-B-1:6, Two-Tone Gray, modernized doors, Globe vents (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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| 404 |
No. 6206 star baggage |
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No. 6429 star baggage |
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Typical Harriman (Common Standard) underframe
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Union Pacific, 60-ft Harriman Baggage, Modernized Roof, CS Class 60-B-2 Pullman built 1910-14, Streamline colors, originally assigned to UP's Oregon Short Line (ALL NEW NUMBERS) |
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No. 1826 |
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| 407 |
No. 1830 |
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No. 1837 |
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No. 1845 |
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No. 1849 |
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The Union Pacific Railroad ordered (Harriman) Common Standard 60-ft baggage express cars, Class 60-B-2. Originally built for Oregon Short Line (UP subsidiary) by Pullman in 1910 through 1914. Most of the 1800 series cars had their Utility roof vents removed and covered over during rebuilding and repainting to "Streamlined" colors - sometime around 1953-54. They were commonly used in carrying Railway Express shipments and sacks of U.S. Mail. The U.P. Harriman baggage were regularly in the consist of the San Francisco Overland, Trains 27 and 28.
As an interesting side note, a typical westbound run of Train 27 in the 50's and 60's was mainly made up of mail & express cars with single rider coach. Baggage cars were collected at Council Bluffs from C.& N.W. / Milwaukee from Chicago, then on to Omaha. Cars from St. Louis and Kansas City added. This train dropped off cars at Columbus, Grand Island, North Platte and Cheyenne for a local destination; or local connection via a local passenger train or local freight train. At Laramie, the cars were dropped off for the westboound City of Saint Louis enroute to Los Angeles. Train #27 continued on, dropping off cars for Green River, Ogden (Oakland S.P. connection) and Salt Lake (Portland connection). Some cars were returned to Council Buff on Train #28 while others on a local freight - yes mix freight trains! The operating possibilities for this model train operation session would be quite interesting.
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We thought you enjoy a few photos of past production runs.
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Southern Pacific Maintenance-of-Way Harriman baggage car, aluminum color, no. MW 4760. During the late 1950's and early 1960's, Espee converted a number of their heavyweight passenger cars for maintenance of way services, made possible by the reduction in passenger service and newer lightweight equipment being introduced on passenger trains. MW 4760 is one such car that was downgraded from revenue service. It belonged to SP Common Standard 214, class 60-B car. The actual number the car had when it was in revenue service is lost to history. See Detail.
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Western Pacific's seldom photographed arched roof baggage cars were Harriman-like in a lot of respects. Constructed in 1923 by the Press Steel Company, and numbered 121 to 140, they carried the all important L.C.L. express package business, company mail and baggage. They were equipped with Utility roof vents. Heavyweight baggage-express cars were used on trains such as the Royal Gorge from St. Louis to Oakland (a joint MP-Rio Grande-WP train) or the Exposition Flyer - inaugurated on 10, June 1939 to the Golden Gate International Exposition from Chicago Union Station (a joint CB&Q-Rio Grande-WP train). * Railroad had very similar cars, but not exact prototype.
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Originally, this car was a 1911 railway post office car, No. CP 4106, class 60-P-4. Espee rebuilt this to a baggage car in Dec. 1941, retaining the original 6-wheel trucks. It was reclassified as 60-B. A photo of this car appears in SP Passenger Cars Volume 3: Head End Equipment on page 371. The 1958 photo shows it in the two-tone gray paint. It stayed in two tone gray until retirement. The “star” above the car number signifies improved facilities for baggage crew.
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At one time, the NWP was jointly owned by Santa Fe and Southern Pacific railroads. SP bought Santa Fe’s portion on January 17, 1929. With ferry connections at Sausalito and Tiburon, NWP trains ran just north of the Golden Gate through the beautiful redwoods up to the far reaches of Eureka, California. NWP freight-only ferry connection ended with Santa Fe’s abandonment of their carfloat operations in the 1980’s. No. 3 & 4, “The Redwood”, passenger trains were pulled by SP steam generator equipped SD-7’s or SD-9’s with their large ash can lights. This train connected with the California Western Railroad's fabled “Sunk Trains.” This baggage-express car was ordered as part of a batch by parent SP from Pullman in 1915 and built to Common Standard Specifications 214, NWP class 60_B. They weighted about 93,800 lbs. No. 678 was retired in Feb. 1960.
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Illinois Central ordered from Pullman Company (Lot 4523) in May 1918 these arched roof cars which were mainly used in mail storage business. This explains the 6-wheel truck to carry the heavier weight of mail. These cars have an average unloaded weight of 117,380 lbs and with a coupled length of nominally 64-ft. These cars are painted in traditional dark olive paint scheme.
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The Southern Pacific Railroad leased a number of Harriman baggage-express cars and coaches to SP de Mexico. In 1951, SP sold a number of rolling stock to the Mexican government under the new railroad ownership of Ferrocarril Del Pacifico. The FCP No. 1369 was formerly SP 1369 Harriman coach. The exact SP origins of the 60-ft FCP baggage-express car is not known. FCP operated from Benjamín Hill, Sonora to Guadalajara, Jalisco via Mazatlán, Sinaloa. FCP was absorbed by National de Mexico in 1984 when the Mexican government nationalized the railroads.
